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views were made clear in a radio interview last year. >> we have to understand that barbarians need to be educated. they need to be disciplined and just because someone feels it or thinks it, doesn't mean we are supposed to go down that road. that is what is called the sinful nature, and we have a responsibility as parents and as authority figures not to encourage such thoughts and feelings to move into the action steps. >> meanwhile, michele bachmann, herself, has compared homosexuality to slavery. >> if you are involved in the gay and lesbian lifestyle, it is bondage. it is personal bondage, personal despair and personal enslavement and that is why this is so dangerous. >> and reaching out for a statement, bachmann and her associates declined to discuss counseling practices, but said, quote, that the clinic honors
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and respects people for whatever issues they come in for and if thereconflict, they refer elsewhere. national investigative reporter michael isikoff has a different story. he joins us now. michael, you interviewed a man behind a secret videotape which shows him quote getting reparative therapy, was he clear that this is a strategy to change his orientation? >> well, that is certainly the claim, and some of it is backed up by this undercover video sting of bachmann and associates done. basically as the quotes that you showed, martin, make clear that the bachmanns have had some provocative and controversial views about the subject of homosexuality and issues over the years, and there are claims and allegations that the clinic practices something called the
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reparative therapy which is repudiated by the american psychological association which is the idea that you can cure somebody of their homosexuality is not something that is accepted by mainstream psychologi psychologists. you know, that said, so what we have here is a gay activist group called truth wins out, and one of the members john becker did an undercover sting of bachmann and associates just in the last few weeks, and went there, and said he was struggling with his homosexuality, and he wanted help and was told that they could help him, he says, that through counseling, through prayer, and through scripture, they could help him go straight, and at least some of the quotes that emerged in this undercover video does seem to support that. i think that you have one that we are going to show here. >> the truth is that god
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designed our eyes to be attracted to the woman, to the woman's body. >> sure. >> to be attracted to everything, you know. to be attracted to her breasts -- >> so, that again seems to support the idea that at least the therapist at the clinic view anything along the lines of homis ex wahome sex w homis ex -- homis e se homosexu or inclinations as not typical. and the reason this is getting attention is obviously because michele bachmann's campaign and obviously the traction she is getting in iowa, and the, she has made it very clear that she
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stands by some of these provocative views which are going to be divisive in political circles. >> absolutely. and national investigative reporter michael isikoff, thank you so much. and first-hand accounts of a man who said he hoped to receive help from bachmann and the associates reports for the nation, and mariah is here to talk about it. >> thank you. >> mr. bachmann has denied it, but the bachmann associates and therapists do try to change the sexual orientation of individuals, and what did you learn? how successful have they been at the curative therapy? >> well, i had two basic pieces of evidence and one was the account of a young man named andrew ramirez who was forced to go there by his stepfather for therapy when he was 17 years old. now, andrew ramirez did not
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carry through with the therapy. he only went for two sessions and dropped out. i have also seen all of the footage collected by truth wins out which obviously they didn't intend to be cured. the man who went in, john becker, he was an undercover -- so i don't actually know how much evidence there is that this particular clinic is successful, but obviously, the techniques have been repudiated by the vast majority of professional organizations representing psychologists and psychiatrists. >> indeed. so, in your own study, it is difficult for you to know quite how sprewidespread these so-cal reparative therapies are? >> you mean in particular at bachmann and associates? >> indeed. >> yes, infact there has been speculation date back to 2006 that they performed this kind of therapy, but in terms of the evidence that i have, there are two instances that seems to suggest that neither is an
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inisolated incidence and this is something they do. >> now, the american association of psychology which is an esteemed body says that trying to do this to anybody can lead to depression and even suicide. >> that is correct. >> have you come across any examples in your own research that suggests that people may have ended upicidal or depressed after undergoing this type of therapy and not necessarily at bachmann and associates, but other places? >> well, i have not. there was the american psychological association as you mentioned in 2007 undertook a study of all of the available research, 83 studies dating back to 1960, i believe, and they found that there was very little evidence that this kind of therapy worked and considerable evidence that it could cause psychological harm to patients, including depression and suicidal tendencies.
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so, but, you know, i have personally not collected any information or accounts of individuals who have been harmed by this therapy. >> now, i'm making the assumption that you went to michele bachmann, her campaign and indeed her husband and asked for some kind of response. what did you get? >> i did not get anything. they declined to respond for my story. i understand that they have subsequently responded and i understand that you were just speaking about that, but they would not respond for my piece. >> all right. mariah blake, correspondent for "the nation." thank you for joining me. >> thank you for having me. and now, the ceiling is seeming to be caving in on the debt ceiling talks. today on the floor of the senate minority leader mitch mcconnell sounded less than optimistic. >> i hope that the economists are wrong, and that our economy will continue to grow over the next year and a half to buy us
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time to tackle the problems that we face. but after years of discussions, and months of negotiations, i have little question that as long as this president is in the oval office, a real solution is probably unattainable. >> nbc's kristen welker is live at the white house. good afternoon, kristen, and the rhetoric is flying up and down pennsylvania avenue does not sound encouraging going into the afternoon's meeting and in what, less than 40 minutes' time, and is there any reason for us to think that they can strike a deal? >> hi, there, martin. well, there is certainly mounting skepticism at this hour for sure. one gop source with knowledge of the discussions tells me that it does not seem like these discussions have been very productive at all, and the white house disputes that saying that the situation has been moved forward, but you just saw mitch mcconnell come forward a few moments ago to propose a new plan to allow the president to
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increase the debt limit, the nation's borrowing limit incrementally over time. it is basically a short-term solution though. a lot like the continuing resolution that we saw during the government shutdown, and this isn't a long-term solution, but takes the onus off of the negotiators and puts it on the president's shoulders, so this is the backdrop of the talks beginning today. as of yesterday, the two sides were $1 trillion apart with president obama saying that the republicans had to come to the table over rolling back tax breaks for wealthy americans and big corporations, and speaker boehner really digging in his heels saying he would not support anything, any deal that included something that looked like a tax hike. so with that, we begin these fourth round of talks today. will we get any different resolution from these talks? we will have to wait and see, but again, martin, as you pointed out, the rhetoric is heating up, and there is certainly a lot of skepticism going into the talks today. >> and kristen, the president
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has given ground, and he admits that his own supporters are angry about it, and he said yesterday that he was prepared to take heat. so where does he go from here if republicans are unwilling to compromise? is this meeting today utterly pointless? >> well, i don't know if it is utterly pointless, but the president is making the point that there is no place to go from here that we have to come to a deal, that both sides have to basically take on their sacred cows, and he is really ramping up the pressure to do that in an interview earlier today, he made the point that if they don't get a deal done by august 2nd that the nation won't be able to pay the social security checks on august 3rd, and veterans impacted, and he said there is not the money in the coffers to pay out the checks, so he is ramping up the pressure. and treasury secretary timothy geithner ramping up the pressure saying that we have to get a deal done by august 2nd saying that the nation's borrowing limit would run out, and we
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would default on the loans for the first time in history if nay don't get a deal done and the tactic right now is to say there is no other option, martin. >> thank you, nbc's kristen welker. next with the debt ceiling stalemate, stocks tumble. and murdoch's media empire on the brink on the allegations that they spied on very important people. woman: saving for our child's college fund was getting expensive. man: yes it was. so to save some money, we taught our 5 year old how to dunk. woman: scholarship! woman: honey go get him. anncr: there's an easier way to save. get online. go to get a quote.
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america waits and the clock continues to tick down, but there are no clear signs that our leaders will resolve the country's debt crisis before that august 2nd deadline and in fact, the more we hear from both sides the more apparent it is that no one is likely to budge. clarence page is a pulitzer prize winning syndicated
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columnist for the ""chicago tribune"" and he joins us now. it is all too soon, the president calls a meeting on the debt ceiling and then we hear the speaker boehner and mitch mcconnell saying that they are far apart from a deal, so give it to us straight, clarence, is there going to be a deal? >> well, it won't be the large one that boehner and the president were talking a nbt the center of the negotiations while speaker boehner has conceded that point, that there is going to be some kind of an interim deal to probably get us through the election. and president obama is holding fast saying i will veto that because we need to settle this right now, and the rhetoric is ratcheting up, but i don't think that president obama has any greater interest in defaulting than speaker boehner does. i still say, as i said last time you and i met here on these
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grounds that we are going to see things kind of move toward the 11th hour, but there will be a settlement. >> but this is disturbing we know for the financial markets, and we know that america is standing in financial terms globally at stake. are both sides really prepared to run this up to the 11th hour on august 2nd? >> well, i'm going to be interested to see what happens after president obama's interview with the cbs airs this evening. he drops the social security bomb. he points out that social security checks could be held up if we go into default, which is true technically, and that is the sort of a point that though put pressure on republicans, and in particular back in the '90s when newt gingrich and president clinton were having a similar face off offt face-off over the budget. but this is the kind of rhetoric that president obama is making this point now, which i expected him to make sooner or later and
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the fact that he is bringing it up now is going to upset seener yos. >> and bernie sanders took to floor this morning and blasted the president. take a listen. >> so, mr. president, when you want to ask why the american people are frustrated with politicians, are increasingly cynical, it has a lot to do with candidates who say one thing and do another thing. if you are told the american people you are not going to cut social security, then don't cut social security. keep your word. >> senator sanders went on to read promises made by the president in the presidential campaign, and it seems to me, clarence, he is now stuck somewhere between a rock and ard ha place, isn't he? >> well, i think about history, martin, and franklin roosevelt speaking to union leaders who were similarly outraged over concessions to the republicans. he said, roosevelt said, in
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effect, i'm with you, now go out there and make me do it. in other words, keep up the pressure in public, because i want people to know what is at stake here. and right now bernie sanderer e doing president obama a favor by voicing the frustration on the left. and pressuring him to be more like roosevelt and he in turn by pointing out social security and other programs that are in jeopardy right now, and points out how big the stakes are. >> and the president has made it very clear, hasn't he, he will veto any temporary debt ceiling agreement, and you believe there will be a interim settlement or agreement that is short-term. what will that comprise, do you think? >> it will comprise enough to get us through the election, because it is very hard to -- >> clarence, are you saying that there will be changes to entitlement programs?
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>> not big changes. i mean, enough to fund the programs really. we are talking about a short-term increase in the debt ceiling that will allows to pay the current bills that are out there which is what the debt ceiling is all about just paying for the legislation already passed and monies already appropriated, but not spent, and holdoff on the long-term problems, because the social security, and medicare and medicaid are long-term problems to be dealt with, but it is hard to deal with them in the middle of an election year environment, and that is what we are getting now. >> indeed, "chicago tribune's" clarence page joining us. >> thank you, martin. and when we come back, a democratic lawmaker responds to a charge and a hero is honored at the white house, regardless of the political strife. mark and jennifer were riding through france when they had a great meal and discovered that it was due to a special salt that was used. they brought it back, and sold
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announced a deal. listen to house speaker john boehner speaking earlier today. >> this debt limit increase is his problem, and i think it is time for him to lead by putting his plan on the table, something that the congress can pass. >> congressman peter welsh is a democrat from vermont and joining us now. mr. welsh, good afternoon. would you have supported the election of barack obama knowing that he was prepared to start hacking away at entitlement programs in this way? >> well, we are not going to hack away at entitlement programs. you know, there are two things. number one, what mr. boehner just said is not on the level. we have to raise the debt ceiling, because the country has to pay the bills and the republicans proposed through him a grand bargain, $4 trillion, and now they are backing away and they don't have votes to pass anything. second, this is something that the americans have to understand, every one of those republicans who voted for the ryan budget voted for a budget that will raise the debt from $14.3 trillion to $23 trillion
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in ten years. yet, the budget that they have voted for requires us to raise the debt ceiling and claiming that they won't dio it, because it is fiscally irresponsible. >> indeed, but going back to the president himself, we had the independent representative from vermont bernie sanders who said that the president was making promises and pledges when he ran the presidential campaign he would never touch social security or medicare and medicare and now look at what is happening, he is discussing the possibility in the grand bargain they were discussing yesterday that these kinds of programs are on the table. >> well, social security cannot be on the table as a piggy bank to prop up tax cuts for the wealthy or to help the general fund. social security is not the cause of that problem. to the extent that we make changes in social security, it has to be for the benefit of the security and solvency of social security for the beneficiaries and generations ahead. >> and do you as a democrat feel
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a sense of disappointment in the president? >> well, you know, i don't go there to express the disappointment, because we have got to get 60 votes in the senate for a better plan and 218 votes in the house. now, i think that the president, and -- there are two issues here. one, we have a long-term fiscal deficit to be addressed. if you get there, you have to put the pentagon on the table and have revenues on the table. what you can't do is to use medicare or social security as a piggy bank basically to solve the sins of the tax cuts in the bush era, and medicare part d, and iraq and afghanistan on the credit card. so, democrats like me, and i even think that bernie are absolutely opposed to raiding social security, or raiding medicare to supplement the tax cuts for the wealthy, and on the other hand, to the extent that we do anything with social security, like for instance, should we raise the cap? i e kind kind of think we shoul because it raises more money into the social security, but it has to go there to make sure
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that the program is solvent. we would resist the president if his approach, and he has not outlined what it is, but to take away benefits on medicare and social security. >> what do you say to the constituents who look at this impasse, these stalled talks and say, look at washington. they can't address the commitments that have been made financially, that we need to pay for. they can't even get to the bottom of an agreement on this issue. >> i e say thsay they are right. there is an enormous frustration with the american public of having a debate as if paying the bills is optional. a great country has a great commitment and has to pay the bills. one thing that works for the republicans is the just say no approach to deny any willingness on any basis from the president to withhold anything they consider to be bipartisan support, so that the strategy of just say no is working for them politically in part because icr
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cynicism. they are blaming president obama, but how about iraq, and afghanistan, and medicare part d and the bailout of the banks requested by george bush. the democrats have to fight hard on that and not social security and medicare. >> thank you so much for joining us, congressman welch. >> thank you. did tabloids spy on the investigators investigating them? the noose around rupert murdoch's empire is tightening. gives you a full serving of vegetables, plus a full serving of fruit. but it just tastes like fruit. and try our deliciously refreshing v8 v-fusion + tea. whose non-stop day starts with back pain... and a choice. take advil now and maybe up to four in a day. or choose aleve and two pills for a day free of pain.
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questioned by mps who are furious of the allegations of phone hacking and the payment of police officers for confidential information. but now, they are not the only ones being investigated. two current and two former metropolitan police officers including andy hayman, a terrorist analysis for msnbc news who i spoke to at the royal wedding were investigated for wrongdoing in a criminal investigation six years ago. with the latest on the escalating scandal, i'm joined by stephanie gosk in london. stephanie, "international news" has not confirmed that mr. brooks and mr. murdoch will not attend the inquiry, and why would they go? >> well, they are not compelled legally to go, and it is not going to be pleasant experience for them. they have serious questions they
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will have to face, and there is a lot of anger out there we saw today with members of parliament questioning members of scotland yard. but why would they at the end? because murdoch has a business deal pending that is worth billions of dollars and eventually he wants the parliament's cooperation to buy bskyb. so it would jeopardize possibly his buying of that corporation. >> yes, indeed. and it seems that senior police officers wither in the pay of rupert murdoch, so it is possible that rupert murdoch not only seduced the politicians, but also the police? >> well, they were accuse of that today, and senior investigator tos at scotland yard, and they vigorously denied those charge, but they did open up the door on the possibility that police officers at a lower level were paid for news tips, and it does seem as if there is evidence out there that that was
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a common practice at least that is what is being alleged right now, it was a common practice of "news of the world" and perhaps other publications belonging to rupert murdoch, but investigators today vehemently denying that there was a conspiracy behind their investigation or the fact that their investigation didn't move forward six years ago when the evidence was first presented to them. >> indeed. msnbc's stephanie gosk in london. thanks so much. in europe, markets were slammed today by fears that italy and spain could be dragged into the country's ongoing debt crisis. investors around the world are fearful of the consequences for the global economy, and what does this mean for our own government locked in battle over addressing the debt ceiling crisis while at risk of defaulting on the national debt? we will get more with diane swampp chief economist at mezirow financial. and we saw the biggest story with italy with that country
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passing for austerity plan, and is this expected to restore confidence in the region's third biggest economy or is it going to undermine the confidence? >> well, it is a plan in the works, so it may accelerate the actual passage, but not large enough to cure the problem, because the problem in italy is that the cost of the debt is causing it to soar in terms of the debt to gdp ratio, so even by doing the austerity if they cannot bring down the cost of the actual debt dramatically, that cost, that interest cost alone is eating them alive. >> you and i have talked previously about the greek problem, and as this euro debt problem lingers or extends, how worried are the markets? >> well, they are much more worried in the u.s. than they have been, and financial markets are discounting two things, and one is the risk of a real debt default in the u.s. and the risk of contagion related to the european debt situation. the european debt situation is
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precario precarious, and we have bought ourselves months in terms of the greek situation and there is a lot of of contagion within europe, and these are banks that have a lot of exposure to the risk, and also the default swaps that those credit default swaps that had an amazing effect, horrible effect in the subprime housing market crisis and it is not a repeat of lehman, but it is a place to watch, and we don't have the cushions anymore. >> dawn, you have heard the politicians talk about this august deadline as malleable, maybe it is not such a harsh deadline. you work and operate in the markets. can you tell us categorically how serious is this situation, and how imperative, how important is it that some agreement is reached for the american economy both internally, and externally? >> this is huge. you know, just coming back from europe, and the europeans cannot believe we would be so foolish as to decidedly squander away
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our debt rating in a frivolous manner, and it does not make sense whatsoever. and it is important because the financial markets in the u.s. are giving it a zero probability of happening when all of the time i have spent in washington and everyone agrees it is inconceivable, but those who do not agree it is inconceivable is the people in congress who have to actually vote on it. so that is what is disturbing thashg are unconvinced that there is a problem, and everybody thinks they could not be so stupid, but i'm not so sure they could be so stupid. >> and now 300 business leaders have written explaining how serious the situation is. >> huge. >> how can you persuade these politicians of the enormity of the situation? >> you know, it is getting to be befuddling to me, and i don't know how to explain it anymore clearer to them anymore that it is not -- and maybe good political strategy, but it is really bad economic policy.
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what we are dealing with here is that if the first moment you tried to service the debt and you don't try to pay all of your government bills, you have to cut the government spending by 40 to 45% overnight. now the first persons on my list if i were controlling that which the administration would be controlling those decisions is giving all of the priority to the administration, too, and is that the political strategy that you want, and on the other side, who is the first people i would cut? congress, you don't get paid. that is the first thing and start threatening that now, and you don't get paid first, and that is not the real issue, but you will not be paying businesses and deferring bills and defense contractors and government contractors and the kinds of ripple effects in any length of time that the magnitude, and there was a very good op-ed piece in the washington journal that this is something that you don't play with. >> indeed, economist diane swank, you have seven minutes to get to the white house for the meeting. thanks so much. and next, america mourns a truly remarkable woman, and
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welcome back. my colleague milissa ray buburg is joining us. >> first lady michelle obama and george w. bush and secretary of state hillary clinton and rosalyn carter and nancy reagan are among the mourners for betty ford. she was a staunch voice for women's rights and addiction counseling died friday. she was 93. her remains will be flown to michigan for a public viewing and burial alongside her husband president gerald ford. now, to a second incident involving stun guns at new york airports. the "new york post" reports that airport screeners found two stun guns in the luggage of a l lufthansa passenger this
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weekend. and there was another stun gun found on the seat of a jetblue flight that had just arrived from boston. very scary. >> yes, indeed. and next michele bachmann and her husband's clinic, and could pray away the gay plan help her with the primary voters? ♪ introducing purina one beyond a new food for your cat or dog.
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i'm here with the cnbc market wrap and let's look at how the stocks are looking today. it looked like a fairly rocky day, but at this stage, we are down by 21 points losing the earlier gains. the standard & poor's is down 2.14 and nasdaq down 14. and the trade deficit is a whopping 1.5% in may to a whopping high of $50.2 billion deficit. exports declined half a percent. well, that is it from cnbc. and we are first in business worldwide, and martin, back over to you. >> thank you, amanda. and now reports of clinics
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owned by michele bachmann and her husband try to cure patients who might be gay through prayer. the minnesota congresswoman is known to have uncompromising views on gay rights including leading the charge against same-sex marriage, and so will secret tapes of the clinic showing therapists to coach patients from praying away the gay do her any harm. s.e. cupp is a columnist for the "daily news," and the last time you were here you were praising her intellect, and saying she was a serious candidate and now we have her referring to gays as being held to bondage and allowing the barbarian ways to take control. is this the rhetoric that republicans like? >> well, i can't speak for all republicans, but anyone who is planning on voting for michele bachmann based on her position on gay marriage probably isn't concerned about the economy like
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the rest of the country. and anyone who was not going to vote for michele bachmann because of her husband's business wasn't going to vote for her anyway, so i don't think that it affects the conservative voters and i don't think it affects the independent voters, most of whom are not concerned about her position on gay marriage, but on the economy and jobs. >> but in terms of the republican fight for the nation, these views will go down quite well with some people, won't they? some condemnation of homosexuality is a thematic approach? >> well, she is pro-family and pro-life and staunch conservative christian and we have known this for a long time, and in fact, some of the views being against gay marriage form xale p, i mean, president obama was against gay marriage when he ran, and suddenly had a chapg of heart a year later. >> well, the problem, s.e., that some of the conversations captured in secret video recording is -- >> well, i would call it junk
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science absolutely. i don't think that any of us know about the psychology of this. so that is junk science. >> so you are saying that michele bachmann and her husband embrace junk science in an aspect of their lives, and it is not the economy, but in an aspect of their lives in which they earn a living? >> i'm not quite certain that michele bachmann, herself, is implicated in the video na you are referring to, and it is not her huz bantd. >> but it is the bachmann associates, counseling center. >> yes, and this makes for a really perfectly-timeded story, when everyone else is talking about the economy, and it is really hard to make her look dumb, so let's make her look scary, so that the media starts to look for the cooky, quirky story, because they can't talk about her positions on the economy, because they are better than what obama's would be. >> i don't want to dispute, but let's go back to junk science.
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>> i would say that praying away the gay is junk science. >> that is just you saying that. but it is not just you, but american psychologists saying that. >> it is a valid argument, but it is junk science and you cannot implicate 80% of the population by junk science. you cannot say that homosexuality is a sin, and as kooky and extreme. >> well, i'm not suggesting that at awe, but what i am asking you is that does michele bachmann therefore embrace junk science? >> i can't tell you what motivates michele bachmann's belief that homosexuality is a sin, and i have a feeling it is the bible. >> she says it is a slavery an bondage. >> and these are metaphors, martin, and you and i use them all of the time. to create a bigger story out of the idea that a conservative christian candidate is against gay marriage, thinks homosexuality is a sin really isn't that con trtroversial tha
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homosexuality is a sin, if you don't believe that you can pray away the gay, if you don't believe that gays should be married, then you would disagree with michele bachmann and say she is embracing junk science. if you were a christian who believes like she does homosexuality is a sin, creationism is the story how we all got there i don't think you'd call that junk science. i think you'd call that christianity. >> thank you very much for joining us. >> i'm not running. >> that's true. now to afghanistan where a rather notorious half brother of the president was murdered earlier today at his home in kandahar. word of his death spread, the taliban quickly took responsibility claiming they hired a hitman to carry out the killing, but u.s. officials are not so sure and are working to gather more intelligence. this afternoon, condemning in the strongest possible terms the killing of karzai.
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with more on these stories we're joined by msnbc's chief foreign corresponde correspondent in kandahar. what new details have you learned about the killing? >> reporter: we've spoken to witnesses in kandahar. we've also spoken to people who were at karzai's -- the person killed today, not president karzai, of course, his half brother, we spoke to people who are at the house, the residence in kandahar when this attack took place at around 11:00 this morning and the version of events as we were told were roughly as follows. there was a meeting of tribal elders under way that involved several dozen people. this is very normal for somebody in ahmed wali karzai's presence. someone who was a distant
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relative and worked for the karzai family about ten years. a man named sardar mohammed. he entered the meeting where ahmed was receiving these elders and asked for private time. asked if he could step out of the room and talk with him a couple minutes about some unspecified private matter and carrying a file with him at the time. ahmed wali karzai got up, left the room. the two men went to an ajisant room and that's when this assassin pulled a gun outside from either inside the file or that was hidden right behind it and fired at least two shots killing ahmed wali karzai. the taliban says it was responsible for this assassination, that it had planned it for some time and given this security officialing the training and mental support, it seems plausible. the taliban certainly has a motivation for doing this. we don't know, however, we don't have independent evidence that
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the taliban was responsible. >> richard engel, thank you very much indeed. before we go, a note on a passing. sherman schwartz, the man who created "gilligan's island" and "the brady bunch" died earlier this morning. he worked for years for notables like bob hope and red skelton. it was his tale, professor, millionaire, his wife among them plus the story of a lovely lady with three lovely girls and a man named brady, a group that somehow form add family. it's those stories that he will forever be remembered by. sherwood schwartz was 94 years old. eein balance after 50,
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it's time to "clear the air." if the president leads these contentious discussions on the debt ceiling there is now a desperate need for both sides to compromise and put down their personal preferences for the
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good of the country. we know that democrats find the very idea of turning entitlements to be almost indie justable and that republicans want to undermine barack obama and ensure that he's just a one-term president. both perfectly logistic ambitions but neither of which will solve the problem. so it's now time for a little heroism. yes. a moment when instead of focusing on personal preferences they rise to the challenge and meet the deadline that's before them, and they don't need to look very far if they want to see a living example of heroism in the face of horrendous opposition. earlier today at the white house, sergeant first class leroy arthur petri, an army ranger, was awarded the medal of honor for conspicuous gallantry. they is the living embodiment of shared sacrifice, bravery, honor and courage, and everyone in that room discussing the debt ceiling would be wise to
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consider his example, just for a moment. in afghanistan, sergeant petri entered a courtyard and was fired upon by en'smy combatants. a round of bullets went through both his legs and another u.s. army ranger was injured. they sought shelter in a chicken coop and a grenade landed at the feet of he and hi colleagues. recognizing the threat of their lives and completely discarding his own, sergeant petri secured the grenade and sought to throw it as far away as possible from his fellow soldiers. at the very moment it left his grasp, the grenade exploded and amputated his right hand. as if that wasn't enough, he then engaged the enemy and continued fire allowing u.s. forces to arrive and rescue himself and his injured colleagues.
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sergeant petri put the needs of others before himself. he went above and beyond. he did not regard his own personal survival as being paramount. he showed courage, commitment and honor, and he deserves every award and commendation and we'll forever enjoy the grateful thanks of this grateful nation. now, it's over to you, mr. president, mr. speaker, and all the others at the white house to get on and do the same. thank you very much for watching. dylan's here to take us forward. dylan? >> thank you so much, martin. you paint a vivid picture and set an extraordinary, but i would say appropriate standard, for the stakes at this moment. and very eloquently said. thank you, sir. >> thank you. and our show begins right now. well, the big story,

Martin Bashir
MSNBC July 12, 2011 3:00pm-4:00pm EDT

News/Business. Journal Martin Bashir uncovers some of the world's biggest breaking news stories. New.

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